Works great for me. Thanks a bunch for the free update!

Posted by: josh on August 28, 2003 10:49 AM

I like. Perhaps a way to offset the alignment of the minimize in place so that it's not right up against the edge of the screen.

Posted by: pope52 on August 28, 2003 12:57 PM

there's a small glitch with zooming minimized windows on mouse-over. They always zoom such that the top left border stays where it is (at least as far as I can see). If you minimize them to the bottom of the screen, this means that they will zoom partially out of view. Maybe a better solution would be to zoom such that the middle of the small window stays put.

Also, it would be nice if the zoom was based on the distance of the mouse, like it is in the dock. Currently, if you mouse over, it zooms to "full" small size in one go and then zooms back if you mouse off again in one go.

Posted by: LKM on August 28, 2003 2:06 PM

Hmm. WSX3 works ok for non-X11 apps. But for any X11 (Apple's beta3 on 10.2.6), all it does is minimize-to-dock. Anyone else seeing similar behavior?

Posted by: Brian on August 28, 2003 3:27 PM

One small thing.

When I minimize an app's only window to the dock and then click on its dock icon, the window unminimizes.

It would be nice if MIPed windows did the same.

Posted by: josh on August 28, 2003 4:01 PM

MIP rocks. and good for you for making it a free upgrade. goodwill from your customers is a good business practice.

a few nitpicks:

- if MIP windows are placed at the top, the hover text shows over the menubar. it's white text on a white background, and is basically unreadable.

- if MIP windows are placed at the same side as the dock, they are not 'dock-aware', and get lost behind the dock. this is bad and REALLY should be changed.

- contextual menu support for MIP windows. a 'close' choice would be nice for starters, and other choices are certainly within the realm of imagination.

- better integration with CodeTek VirtualDesktop. so who bothers fixing issues between two different 3rd party hacks? someone should. when you arrange MIP windows along an edge, they should be able to tell if there are other MIP windows on THAT desktop, and arrange themselves accordingly.

Posted by: petey on August 28, 2003 4:08 PM

one more item:

- if a MIP window becomes active, it should unminimize. for example, if i MIP a Finder window, and then double click that folder, the window should unminimize.

Posted by: petey on August 28, 2003 4:10 PM

and...

something about installing WSX 3.0 has disabled the functionality of the CWM.ape.

Posted by: petey on August 28, 2003 4:46 PM

i am also seeing X11 apps only minimize to the dock, where in previous versions everything worked great...

Posted by: mike on August 28, 2003 6:11 PM

i would love a contextual menu item to toggle an individual MIP window's 'float' state.

and BTW, does Slava read these comments, or am i wasting finger motions?

Posted by: petey on August 28, 2003 9:26 PM

I'm seeing a bug where the MIPed window of a saved TextEdit document will display not only the window title on a mouse hover, but also the path name of the document on the same line, vis:

document1.txt -- Users/me/Documents

This seems to be specific to TextEdit; I haven't found any other app which shows this behavior with minimized windows. It even works as it should with WorldText...but who uses WorldText? ;-)

I should also add: the same TextEdit window, minimized to dock rather than to desktop, shows the title without the path name.

Other than that, entirely wonderful!

Posted by: RAB on August 28, 2003 9:41 PM

QuickTime videos still don't play when in MIP mode. Otherwise great!

- Matt

Posted by: Matt Martinez on August 28, 2003 10:22 PM

One other problem: WindowShade X 3.0 kills CWM's functionality! I've just confirmed this by disabling WSX and re-enabling it. Please look into this!

- Matt

Posted by: Matt Martinez on August 28, 2003 11:08 PM

a note:

CWM.ape actually is only broken in the Finder. it seems to continue working in all other apps.

Posted by: petey on August 29, 2003 2:09 AM

another MIP feature request:

if you MIP a window, move the MIP square, maximize the window, and then re-MIP it, it should return to the place you've previously moved the MIP square.

Posted by: petey on August 29, 2003 2:11 AM

I'm having a problem with the standard Finder Scripts - Finder Windows - Close all script (my way of getting an undisturbed view of the desktop). It does set the collapsed property of all open Finder windows. But that doesn't work with WSX enabled. Only the top most window gets the flag, then the script halts with a non-specific runtime error. And this is probably not the only script which is broken in a way or another with WSX. Deserves a closer look, doesn't it?

Keep up the good work, WSX is a great tool!

Regards,
Joern.

Posted by: Javigator on August 29, 2003 3:30 AM

It seems that it takes a long time to log out or shutdown after installing WindowShade X 3.0.

Posted by: Eiichi on August 29, 2003 5:52 AM

Here's one for ya.

I MIP a window along the "Right Edge, Starting At Bottom". Now get this. The window does MIP, but the window also remains in its normal. 2 instances of the same window you ask? Yes. Let's say you minimize a browser window, you get 2 instances, plus the instance in the normal state still function as normal and if you browse to a new page the MIP instance also updates.

The minimize button of the normal instance will no longer work. If I click on the MIP instance it will return to the normal state over the instance in the normal state.

Kinda strange, huh? Other positioning settings had the same result.

Posted by: kcjones76 on August 29, 2003 9:35 AM

"It seems that it takes a long time to log out or shutdown after installing WindowShade X 3.0."

Yes, seriously. I hope that we see WSX 3.1 soon.

Posted by: Matt Martinez on August 29, 2003 11:27 AM

one feature that I'd like is the ability to customize the drop shadow under only the MIP windows. Personally, I'd like for them to appear closer to the desktop that their current shadow implies.

Also, I notice a minor anomaly with MIP and iChat. When I minimize iChat and then roll my mouse across the location on the screen where the buddy icons would have been, I get the little rollover popup windows for the buddy info. This happens even if I switch to another application and then move across the same screen area. It also happens every once in a while when I window shade iChat, but not as often as when I use MIP.

Other than that, this is a great release. I've finally re-enabled WindowShade and use it all the time now...

:)

Posted by: Richard Hess on August 29, 2003 4:45 PM

There needs to be a way so that if you mouse over it you can have it be the original size.. This is achievable through plist hacking but since maximizing is based on the minimized image it turns out pixelated majorly.

Joe

Posted by: Joe on August 29, 2003 10:51 PM

Another problem about slow work doing ;
It seems that it takes a long time to complete logging in or starting up after installing FruitMenu 3.1.1.

Posted by: Eiichi on August 30, 2003 12:55 AM

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There needs to be a way so that if you mouse over it you can have it be the original size.. This is achievable through plist hacking but since maximizing is based on the minimized image it turns out pixelated majorly.

Joe
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Now that would be really cool. Just think you could have 5 windows minimized mouse over one, do something in it then mouse out and it shrinks right back. Kind of like the tabbed windows in OS9 but for any app. Very cool idea.

Posted by: on August 30, 2003 11:01 AM

Thanks :)

Joe

Posted by: Joe on August 30, 2003 4:26 PM

The MIP part isn't fully bug free or perfect yet, so I'll wait off on using it. But I love 3.0 anyway. It's a step in the right direction. Now keep going! ;)

Maybe some auto sorting of MIP windows.

Better text placement when they're iconized. (The text is always on top. It should be at the side when icons are auto-aligned to the left or right. I can't read the top icon because it clashes with the menubar.)

Better scaling. Looks too rough.

For now I'll just use the Dock. I have enough room down there and it's worked fine for me so far. No MIP implementation has switched me yet.

On another subject. I've loved the custom shadows since forever, but why doesn't it work with iTunes? That seems to be the only app it doesn't work on. And menus would be nice too.

Posted by: Jason Anderson on August 31, 2003 2:15 PM

Have you considered breaking the MIP and window management off into a separate haxie? It seems that future MIP implementations could become too complicated to still make sense inside of WindowShade. I think MIP has great potential, leading to some alternate and nice ways of window management in the future.

Some ideas for a future MIP haxie:

Inactive windows become transparent. Like double clicking the titlebar to make a window transparent, just have an option to do the same for inactive ones.

Inactive windows auto-MIP or minimize to a set size/percentage, allowing for inactive windows to recede into the background. Also with the transparency option.

A popup window option that locks the window so that it cannot be closed but rather only MIP's back in place, and that Maximizes to full size on mouseover or drag and drop. Effectively making MIP tiles behave like OS 9 style popup windows.

Alternate ways of docking MIP windows. Imagine a single icon in the screen corner that all MIP windows minimize "behind". A mouse over or click would bring these MIP'd windows to the fore along a screen edge or perhaps aligned around the icon in a circle.

I'd like MIP to break out of the Apple way of doing things and make its own future.

Don

Posted by: Don Osborne on August 31, 2003 3:24 PM

WS's MIP feature won't align the items along any edge of my screen....? I set the pref correctly, but they still minimize to either the top left corner or last MIP location. I have one monitor, and apps like Konfabulator have no problem locating my screen edges.

Also, when I double-click on the window icon (only applies to carbon apps), the window is not active (dim title bar, etc.). Clicking on the window's title bar makes it active again, but the last version of WS didn't do this.

And a couple of feature requests:

- Add to the CM when you right-click on a MIP-ed window: Close, Maximize, Minimize (or move?) to Dock.

- Maybe this is a pointless feature, especially with Panther's Exposé due to hit the scene soon, but...what would be cool would be a way to MIP all of a single application's windows and arrange them either on a grid (similar to the way the Finder handles icons) or along a screen edge.

Posted by: Inspired on August 31, 2003 10:48 PM